commanders who know nothing about how to operate these facilities or dangers of their attack. >> i'm going to ask a question with a lot of if's in it, if radiation leaks into nato countries because of russia's actions would it be considered an act of war forcing nato to strike back? >> i think it represents a real risk we're running by inaction in ukraine. that russia clearly is quite reckless not only with human lives but reckless with where its striking so yes, i would say if you're talking about a nuclear disaster that cost the lives of nato member citizens then we are entering into territory where nato itself is compelled to act. it's a threat against nato. i also want to emphasize that there are steps that we can be taking, short of putting our