committee. it is public hearings at that can bring facts to the floor at that can possibly persuade anybody on the fence. the people who listen only to fox news are lost to the world right now in terms of truth. but there are people, republicans and independents, who need to hear the facts, so i'd like to hear some public testimony by the people who know what donald trump did and didn't do, and we can go back to watergate and say what did the president know and when did he know it. >> jill, as i always as always appreciate spending time with you and your insights. out of all your absolutely gorgeous pins, this one is striking. go to twitter. jill is very good about sharing the rationale for which pin it is she wears. next, a jury of ghislaine maxwell's peers found her guilty, but now her lawyers are asking for that conviction to be