>> i'm so interested in people like you because you do have such a giant platform to influence american politics with the size of just frankly your checkbook. when you decide to spend money, are you doing it in a truly altruistic way? >> well, i'm doing it because i think -- look, i think what we're doing is consistently, intentionally, solely to push for, you know, a broader democracy. almost 80% of americans, almost 8 out of 10 americans believe that our system has been purchased by corporations. >> they believe money is a problem. >> and i agree with that. >> so someone asked you what's the difference between you and david or charles koch, what do you say? >> i say we're transparent. they're not. they have pushed very, very hard for things that are extremely good for their bottom lines, and that is a complete difference. >> so you don't stand to make money off any clean energy.