they must be held accountable. that is essential. and i believe, like representative hogan, that facts matter. and i believe that even the most loyal republicans who are now standing silent -- they may not be coming out for impeachment, but they aren't defending this terrible threat to national security, in fact, to world security, because by not giving the equipment that was necessary to protect ukraine, they are leaving ukraine vulnerable to russian further incursions, and that's a terrible thing. >> yeah. i mean, even mitt romney, and mitt romney, who, you know, corrine, i will remind folks, he did that humiliating audition, where he sat for dinner with donald trump to try to become secretary of state. the irony being, had he actually gotten the job, the likelihood is that mitt romney wouldn't have done what mike pompeo has done. >> exactly right. >> wouldn't have been willing to go around selling these crazy conspiracy theories to prove russia innocent and wouldn't have been willing to ignore subpoenas. but he'd be much more likely to