and what do you make of his status remaining in the evangelical community given what apparently even some of his insider folks knew? >> well, it's interesting in the era of the russia investigation, now the new trendy thing is for your investigators to be investigated. i'd love to see more scrutiny landing on jerry falwell jr.'s church. he is not a pastor. it's very important to remember that. his brother got the church. he got the school when reverend falwell sr. left us. now, i had the pleasure of debating reverend falwell on bill maher's show once, and he was a remarkable guy, reverend falwell sr. he was a segregationist who built whites-only schools. he defended apartheid. he said 9/11 was god's punishment on america. i grew up in the '80s as a kid being raised by an ex-nun, looking at a media culture that said this is what christianity is. and for too long, we've had a media world where we have atheists and then you have people who scream at women outside clinics, and that's meant to represent the spectrum