murdered, from the middle passage, until the end of legal segregation, that it goes beyond the realm of an official number. . there is no number. >> i didn't know that. >> it's stunning. >> origins already getting oscar buzz and riverview's from everyone from oprah winfrey to lin manuel miranda. it's set for wide release for next week, january 19th. and ava duvernay, writer, director, producer of the film joins me now. part of you here. >> happy to be here. >> what a phenomenal film i got to watch today, that i would say is almost unlike any other thing i've seen. i want to start with occasionally i will hear news in hollywood that so-and-so is making a film out of this thing. there's two that i thought of, the big, short with adam a case directing. and barbie, i was like how you gonna make that? and caste, which i had read, and i was like how you gonna make that into a movie?