who haven't been impeached or federal officers who have subsequently been convicted. obviously, none of this works with any of the history, any of the texas constitution. it's ludicrous. you think it's frivolous enough that you can imagine a world in which scotus just says -- >> right. here's one of the things i found fascinating. do you know how much questioning they was by the three judges on the impeachment first theory, that's the argument that you have to be impeached and convicted yet? zero. the actual discussion of let's just go through your reading of that, there was no questioning on that. it was all about if you were to lose on that, the case is over. >> right. >> that's true. walk me through this argument. which by the way, was barely in the brief. >> by the way, judge pan, it was fantastic, but her best way of attacking this was really to force donald trump's lawyer to actually say his argument. >> exactly, by the bullet on it. that was the moment.