quickly. i think that the u.s. has estimated that up to 5 million people in a population of 44 million, could've been refugees in europe. which would come to adjust the issue in a minute but what that means, and what how europe will cope. this is second scenario, though, which is about a switch or rough russian victory, their military might is huge. in that circumstance, i think you see a slower trickle of people coming out of the country. but obviously, there are millions, if not tens of millions of ukrainians who don't want to live under russian occupation. in both circumstances, we need europe to step up in a big way to support these people. >> let's talk about the implications, here, both in terms of resources and politics. what does it mean for europe to absorb millions of refugees? on a basic resources level. but then, politically, we talk about the rise, the emergence of far-right nationalism across the continent. and i think we all remember that these syrian refugee