shown us and other stuff that we've done in terms of talking with people, we can no longer stand behind these. we thought they were true before but we now realize that we're wrong. and we cannot stand behind them, essentially. >> that's right, one of the important things is that they're gonna have to prove -- if trump misrepresented something about himself or his assets or the lenders. you know that it was. wrong he was misrepresenting something. and without getting -- one where you might prove that is by showing the gatekeepers, he lied to the people that represented him in the outside world. the lawyers, the appraisers, the accountants. and they've gone after all three in this case. the accountants are the most important, they're the ones that had the most documents, knew the most, spoke the most in the context that matters. >> from a legal perspective, joyce, one of the elizabeth holmes trial that happen in california with theranos, is that there was a legal line