create something better than god in terms of combatting disease? there are certain things we have to do, but we have just made so many assumptions, and it's all pointed toward everybody getting a vaccine. >> i mean, wow. there's a lot of people who believe in god and believe that god helped create the antibodies. the amazing, beautiful, human mind that created the vaccines. but the question now is does this all matter politically? or are the structural factors in midterms and the loyalty of the die hard maga base enough? ruth coniff is the editor in chief of the wisconsin examiner where she wrote a piece about how wisconsin game ground zero for the big lie and she joins me now. i wonders if you feel the same way about johnson.