it's not a crazy notion when you think of the fact that biden was indicted over the involvement with the same organization. he was then pardoned by trump after he tried very hard to essentially pull off the insurrection on trump's we have. so it's not like a crazy fact pattern to just dismiss out of hand. we don't know if it's true. gosar denies. it i want to read here, what they told you about why they are cooperating with the committee. behind those sentiments about whether they are cooperating is a hard reality. stockton is running out of -- we've seen what's happened with bannon, we don't have the resources that cnn has. our options are in a lot of ways, limited. and indeed we saw stockton day today and they are headed there tomorrow. >> they are facing these subpoenas from the committee that raises the possibility of intensity, and you know they feel abandoned by trump. i have reported on how matt whitaker, the former acting attorney general, had this legal fund that they set up for some of the trump aides caught up in this investigation. stockton and lawrence have