debate. you know what is so strange here is, even when you are running in a primary where you have a smaller group of voters. the idea is to appeal to a bunch of different people, but this has now been inverted where the entire race as one person. it's like interviewing for a job for one person as opposed to going out and persuading people to like you. >> yeah, that is the strange thing about it. i was just looking at the twitter feed about josh mandel 's twitter feed. and it's entirely about whatever issue of the last five minutes. might appeal to donald trump. not really about ohio at all. not really about the national scene in the united states even. it's just, you know, about steve bannon, getting steve bannon out of legal trouble. attacking lebron james, it's really focused. and that is exactly what vance has done as well. he jumped in by getting upset about dr. seuss if you remember that. and that is what's really -- the competition is between these guys.