and he not now but in terms of his actual policy stance he is pretty much in line with a lot of the democratic party and it's not clear there was a crucial policy issue at stake biden probably just didn't want to fight on this front -- >> the question is what the fed does and we should divided the different rules on the monetary front terms of rate and more extraordinary means, asset percentages and bonds things like that what's the fed's done has been aggressive and i think people who are in the dovish category, you would be in that category and i would count myself there as well and people believe full employment is great as a justice issue and working people in this country and it's been good, that's the general feeling.