to young people. we will put a lot of money and investment and resources into trying to make it work. >> that to me is what is dangerous. the combination of power and desperation is always very dangerous, right? >> yeah. >> when you have got a lot of power, which facebook has, but you also feel like you are being stalk and you feel like -- that's when you start to do everything in your power to juice the numbers. and we have seen some of that in the facebook papers that when you are thinking about, you know, we need to boost engagement, it's a kind of whatever it takes by any means necessarily mindset and that could lead to dark places. >> that's always been their mindset. it's not a new pressure idea. they have been a high growth throughout their history and had these small traffic accidents along the way, usually they are fine. everybody else is injured. i think one of the things that's interesting here is the idea of a metaverse is a huge idea and a lot of creative people are going