as right out of the gate, that needed to be -- that the country needed to be put on a war kind of, get you need to be putting sacrifices for your country. that the thing got framed us lives versus livelihood, was really unfortunate. because it's not true. if you've got people dying in your community, people are going to be going to restaurants. >> it doesn't matter where you, are even south dakota, arizona, when the numbers go up, the economic activity goes. down >> there is something, the best natural experience is a northern country. because you have denmark and norway in sweden. and denmark and norway did a full on social distancing, sweden let the virus, or and there's been a postmortem on this. five times the deaths in sweden, than the other. to the rate of death. and greater economic costs. so it isn't either. or you are aggressively contain the, thing and you get more of your economy. so it was that way that it was,