it's incredibly controversial, it's been this owned by its author seemingly. what is your understanding of its status, and his relationship to it? >> i think it was the driving political and legislative and constitutional strategy of the political coup on january the 6th. if you look at eastman's interview with steve bannon, on the sixth, clearly steve bannon had bought into it. and it was the organizing principle of what they were doing. the whole point was to inflate the vice presidents role of the size of a goodyear blimp, unsafe for the first time in american history, the vice president could himself repudiate and reject electoral college votes, from arizona, georgia and pa, denying biden the majority, and kicking the whole thing into the house for a contingent election, where we know, the state by state voting would have favor trump. and so, politically, it was a great strategy for them,