that. there is a question how to get it to a level that joe manchin will give a thumb's up to. one is to take those perhaps and pair them back in each way. this one you need an income qualification. this one we'll only have for a year or two. the other way is choose two or three or four and do those big and permanent and you are making the argument for the latter. why? >> because half measures are not going to be seen by the public as a way that government is restoring its capability to function in their interest. when you look at paid leave program, it used to be under the family act which is kir sten gillibrand's bill for this, a public program that was paid for a little bit of payroll tax and you access it and draw down those -- those dates when you needed them. now it's being managed in a