this stuff with the union leaders, "we don't like being told what to do," if you look up the regulations, you not only have to wear bulletproof vests, it dictates what side the labels are, where the labels are placed. they have to wear seatbelts. those charges he got, those are all things they're told to do that he didn't do. >> there's something remarkable about the backlash to it, precisely for that reason, one, because it's about public safety fundamentally, and two, you know, yeah, these are not -- we're not talking about -- it's not a montessori school. this is not an organization where you don't have a lot of rules and regulations and stuff you have to do. >> no, but the sad thing is this all played out in a police union, where fallen officers are honored in washington, and the families of four chicago cops who died of covid were there. all this is going on while