one thing about abbott reputation is he the guy that is the elder statesman. he was conserve tough. he didn't come off as a crazy person like al west who talked about succession and all sorts of banana things. he was supposed to be the one confident and conserve tough but normal way. and, you know, now he's just doing whatever he has to do to get donald trump to approve. >> judge and adam, thank you both. >> when it comes to people who tried to help donald trump overturn the election, there are two camps. there are those digging in heels fully committing to the bit, on the other hand, those who are trying to tiptoe out of the limelight of trump fame and re-enter polite society as if they didn't try to subvert american democracy. the newest entry in the last group, john eastman, the man who literally wrote a memo on how to overturn election. don't worry, he has a great defense. he clears up everything. that's next. defense. he clears up everything. that's next.