popular as a major domestic policy agenda that it shouldn't be a difficult vote. a former democratic congressman who lost his swing state seat in virginia after voting for the aca wrote in "the washington post," casting a vote for the build back better agenda isn't bold at all, it's common sense political survival. tom perriello joins me. i enjoyed your op-ed, there were three bills, dodd/frank, the aca, and the waxman bill. how different is this in your mind? >> a world of difference. these are bills that are wildly popular. the other side isn't even that organized against it. they're so focused on conspiracies about election fraud, vaccines, and critical race theory that they're not