least favorite thing in the universe, doing that, but you know, the only thing that happens is people talk to each other. that's it. >> yeah, and listen, let's not forget the context here. we can't lose a single vote in the united states senate. we have to come up with a major historic investment in regular people, in average middle class families, and we need to do it with every single democrat onboard with a similarly slim operating margin in the house of representatives. so i think up until today, some of us weren't sure that senator manchin was really onboard for anything. he was saying a week ago that he wanted to punt this whole thing to next year. so it's good news that this room exists now in which we're working out the details. and so that's why i think a lot of us take from today a bit of a boost heading into what we hope are some fruitful negotiations today and through the weekend. >> yeah, that was my read on it too. the thing that i have learned the hard way over the last,