challenge it was somehow unclear. we need to streamline one and clarify the other. >> the thing about the presidential election is that it is so different than every other election in the united states. it's run across 50 states and endows and jurisdictions and even once the people vote there are a whole bunch of steps about to happen before the full ceremonial counting of electoral college votes happens. each of those in places have a weakness in a system that doesn't rely on norms of the rule of law. we've relied on the fact the peeler gonna do the right. saying there are gonna lie about the outcome of the recent v. election. and you can have the potential of people going to lie you're going to need to have that paper to back it up, you're going to need rules that make it harder to engage in false claims, the vote total is what it wise. but legal change won't be enough. we also need to have a political strategy, because it's not clear these changes are going to come either from congress or the states. >> the big federal law here is