know, maybe there is some value coming out of it. i think democrats also, like, let's not just chase headlines, let's not chase cable news appearances. let's be thoughtful about this. >> so, david, here is a letter from over 4,300 veterans, including 150 who fought in afghanistan. our support for the president's decision to leave as resolute as ever. it's the right thing to do. and yet joe biden is again on the defensive today. i wonder why are republicans on the defensive over one of their supporters trying to attack the capitol yesterday and charged to with threatening to use a weapon of mass destruction? why can't democrats do the ruthless politics that republicans do all the time? >> yeah, well, that's a fair question. so i think part of the republican -- for afghanistan and trumping this up, excuse the pun, is because of the shadow of january 6th. you know, and i think we saw another example yesterday. we have thousands of people, maybe tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people