is a democrat from pennsylvania and a former impeachment manager. she joins me live now. congresswoman, as a former impeachment manager, what are you thinking when you hear about the scope of mark meadows' efforts to help trump overthrow the election? wall street journal reporter michael bender writes in his new book that mark meadows had helped introduce trump to doj attorney jeffrey clark who was putting together to oust rosen the acting a.g. and force georgia to overturn his results. mark meadows seems to be integral to all of this, was he not? >> thank you for having me. i'm joining you from my car. i apologize, we're in between summer storms here in pennsylvania in my district. i just left a roomful of montgomery county young democrats. they are so eager to learn more about what happened, what failed, who stepped up and served and who did not. so mark meadows, what a deep, deep disappointment. but you can see what happened here. as you pointed out in your reporting, this is his fourth chief of staff.