administration putting sanctions on him and calling him an active russian agent for over a decade. this is not the biden folks came in and cleaned house. this was in september 2020 under the trump administration. betsy, one thought i had when the read the "times" piece that ken is one of the reporters on was, like, yeah, i feel like i watched them do this in front of all of our faces. like, tons of ukrainians popping up all over the place for two years. i knew, like, two dozen ukrainian operatives' names i wouldn't have any reason to know but for the fact that they were clearly trying to interfere in politics. >> the united states government has done everything short of jumping up and down and lighting its hair on fire to say he was a russian agent. he literally went to kgb school in moscow. the intelligence community did something which is literally unprecedented.