going to be some type of like, you know, great moderate hope that's going to show up and rescue the centrists in some way, but they have their candidates. >> buddy, he's there. buttigieg is like -- running as a moderate and he's currently at the top of the polls in iowa. >> that's what i'm saying. so it's time to let them all -- let the top four or five candidates actually have a deeper debate about the direction of the democratic party. >> well, i mean it's interesting that you say the dnc is being generous. i would say tom perez is asleep at the wheel. i don't think steyer should be able to purchase his way onto lt stage. i don't think that tulsi gabbard should be on the stage spouting out fox news points. there are some people that -- >> if she's polling at 20% she could. the point is not the viewpoint discrimination but if you are not cracking 3% or 5% -- >> why are you here? >> there's really no reason for amy klobuchar to be there