upholding the payments was possible unlawful, the criminal withdrawal to doj, there are red flags going off all over the system in the lead up to the system. what do you make of that? >> i make of it that those who were part of the scheme to corrupt our relationship with ukraine in order to advance a political agenda, to interfere with an election, i take it they're in deep trouble. and thank goodness there are career and even some political employees who will be willing to stand up to that and be voluntary witnesses. the claim by the white house counsel that a blanket refusal to cooperate with the congressional oversight is just simply preposterous. and i hope that some republicans will think about how they would feel if a president, say, elizabeth warren or whoever, came into office knowing that she should be subject to no congressional oversight because