that fought isis. that's why we were there fighting them. and when he says why do we care what happens 7,000 miles away i think he forgot that al-qaeda also is 7,000 miles away on september 11th and by pulling away and udbangening we are making ourselves less safe and we're not going to have allies the next time around when we try to fight groups like isis. >> you've written about american intervention in the middle east and how disastrous america has been in terms of the u.s. facilitating what's happening in yemen through the saudis, the war in iraq obviously. to people that are watching this and thinking to themselves i see folks like liz cheney and lindsey graham and people proponents of constant military intervention in the region that has been disastrous and costly there's always the argument to stay. what makes those different to those, to those people thinking that? >> there's two separate things,