president obama and vladimir putin. from your standpoint as a former national security advisor, what might the other party have taped that call or might the russians who we know are in conflict with ukraine and occupying part of ukraine, is there a chance that there's a real transcript of that call, a full transcript that either the ukrainians have or the russians have? >> well, it's possible certainly that the ukrainians have it. it's possible certainly there's a more full ver baiten transcript on the u.s. side. i would hope that it russians wouldn't have it. >> well, i think that's a good hope for everyone. but i want to just ask you quickly before i turn because i want to ask you about turkey as well. what do you make of donald trump's attitude toward the kremlin, toward vladimir putin? it seems to be very solicitous. he seems to have lots of secret phone calls with him that aren't detailed even to his national