removing her from her position. >> he writes a letter, the president tweets about her, and eventually she was removed. what is the deal with these two? how do they get connected in any way shape or form to what essentially appears to be the inner circle of the president's attorney if not the president himself? >> that part is still a little unclear to us. but they started to make a lot of big campaign donations in 2018 and then started talking to mr. giuliani about his concerns about what ukraine had been up to in the 2016 election, starts introducing him to people in ukraine and seems to be delivering what mr. giuliani wants. and so ends up in his inner circle. >> michael, you guys were on