staffers, members of congress of both parties, senators, everyone is going on what the heck is going on with this money. it's this big sort of like mystery sitting there in the middle of a fast community of people invested in the issue. >> well, right. and a lot of people had wanted this money to go through ukraine has made the case it desperately needs it to fight off russian aggression in ukraine's east. the united states has maintained it's going to be a steadfast ally of ukraine and help ukraine fight against russian aggression. that's why it's so surprising when congress signed off, when the administration initially signed off. when this was going to happen as expected and then it got held up. >> final question for you, ned. you worked on the nsc. do you believe there's a word for word transcript of that phone call? >> i'm skeptical, chris. from this contemporaneous memo that was released today, we learned something we didn't know before. mapely that this call was