seriously but not literally. there's no proof that there was any follow through, people don't listen to him, and here we're seeing in two different instances people do listen to him. and in the course of foreign policy it is in fact changed. >> the best defense of the president is he's an immensely incompetent weirdo no one pays attention to, but in this case that doesn't work because after that phone call with zelensky two u.s. officials show up with a paper for you to sign. >> and something quickly about what is happening to ukraine because this is a country that has struggled with corruption, that has waged this revolution and here we have the foreign policy of the united states and the president is ordering them. >> thank you both for being with me. a lot more. next we learn from one of the men named in the whistle-blower complaint after nine hours of testimony today what we learned. it reports are damning. we'll talk to someone in that