done, they left. i thought about that quote, about your book, and that moment when we see people doing everything they can at the greatest peril to show up at the border with their 9-year-old, maybe even drowning in the river. >> linking to the news today, i really did not realize this until about january or february or so. family separation, destruction of families is a huge theme in the book. and i was thinking it's really coincidental that this is happening in policy right now. but in fact this is what you do to people you despise, period. you make war upon their families. this is typical in american history. this didn't end with enslavement for black folks. and so i don't think it's a mistake that trump in all of his despising, you know, of immigrants on the border, is taking it out on the children. i don't think that's coincidental. >> the book is called "the water dancer," it's a beautiful, it's a great read by ta-nehisi