gains from foreign government or face congress. so -- >> but face what? this is the problem is you're meeting procedural max miz many with procedural normalcy. the president steps outside the bounds of tradition. he asserts new powers and he says, let's see them in court. he's been doing this for 40 years. he is treating you the way he treated the piano tuners and the painters, and you're doing the same thing. it's like, we'll see him in court. that's not going to be good enough. >> well, you're right. we are defending the rule of law, and we're defending the constitution. but here's the thing. let's not start at the end of the story. the media always wants to jump to, well, pelosi is against impeachment. nadler is for impeachment. i'm not positive nadler is for articles of impeachment. i'm noz positive she's against them. all i know is she's not going to pre-judge the caution because she's got a big caucus to govern, and he has to keep us moving forward in the investigation. >> that may be true. all i'm saying is what it looks