normalcy. >> you're right, we're defending the rule of law and the constitution. but here's the thing. let's not start at the end of the story. the media always wants to jump to pelosi is against impeachment, i'm not positive nadler is for articles of impeachment. i'm not positive she's against them. all i know she's not going to prejudge the process because she's got a big caucus to govern and he's got to keep us moving forward. >> that may be true. but all i'm saying what it looks like from the outside the caucus is not united in wanting to pick the fight, that you have someone that is acting in ways that are sort of intransigent, apparent, even lawless -- >> chaotic.