mar-a-lago it's costing people 75 to $100,000 for the fbi, secret service, department of defense going right into the coiffeurs into the trump industry. that is precisely what the founders warned us against. that's why they said in that case congress can't even approve of it. in the case of foreign government payments, theoretically we could approve of it. i hope in the next few weeks we will formally disapprove. >> thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. joining me are chris lu as well as deputy chief counsel of the house oversight committee and elizabeth holtzman. she voted to impeach richard nixon. what do you think, they seem to me always very careful to kind of not -- they don't want to put pressure on their front line members to have to say take a floor vote. they're trying to sort of move this thing along and put it on sounder constitutional footing than it might have been otherwise while not doing that. is that your read of what's going on here?