they're going to shut it down as soon as they can figure out how to distribute. the court will superadvise the distribution of its assets. >> what is -- you then move into a different sort of part of this beat which is the foundation's relatively small, and it's a small world, and you can kind of track down -- they both have to have public filings, and you can track down some other folks that are involved in it. now we have a president who has a vast business empire that he is not really that disconnected from. what have you been able to find out about that part of his finances? >> you're right that that's been a much more difficult task, because it's unlike the charity, a lot of its assets and details are much better hidden. but we spend a lot of time on it now. what we know is a lot of it is not doing very well. and we spend a lot of time trying to identify on the logic that if his business does worse, he could become more desperate for favors or other people seeking to help him through his business, right? as bad as it sounds, you would rather have a president getting rich off his business than losing money and needing help