we're there before the primaries happen long before the general. >> you know, the principle here strikes me as sort of sacrosanct, right? everybody who is a citizen and eligible to vote should be able to vote. >> yes. >> but i wonder, what is your read of what the datas say about the effects of these sort of -- of these sorts of moves that have been made, removing polling locations, increasing, you know, the threshold for what you get to i.d. in terms of what it actually means in turnout and discouraging voters. >> voter suppression works. when you make it difficult to leverage a basic right, you not only have an effect on that direct voter, but you also create the penumbra, the atmosphere that it's just too much work. >> right. >> america is one of the few democratic countries that puts the onus of registration almost entirely on the citizen. most other countries find a way to make this work. we not only make it hard to get on the rolls, we make it hard to stay on the rolls with use it or lose it laws.