among every group, which is possibility, that enough could be it. it's not like you have to pick some like subcategory. >> yeah, the question i hear a lot is do democrats try and turn back the clock and win a higher share of working class whites or do they try and revert to turning out more african-americans and young people who didn't show up in 2016? i think the answer is it has to be a little bit of both. and in order to do that, i think democrats can use a few issues in particular to drive wedges into the trump coalition. i think background checks and abortion rights in particular are issues that divide elements of trump's base particularly in those midwestern states. >> i think you're right on both of those, and i think particularly in the wake of the specter of roe being overturned. yeah wu, it's interesting because we hear so much about issues that have come forward in the democratic primary, for instance, decriminalizing unauthorized entry or medicare for all.