Stamps. Those stories are ahead, but we begin where we have to begin with the big news out of the house of representatives where republicans just passed a bill to fund the government. It also defunds obama care. That means its a bill to shut down the federal government. And so, our message to the United States senate is real simple. The American People dont want the Government Shutdown and they dont want obama care. The house has listened to the American People. Now, its time for the senate to listen as well. Senate democrats to do the same thing. And i want to know where senator prior stands on protecting the middle class. The consequences of this horrific bill. How about kay hagen in North Carolina . Does she understand the consequences that obama care is having in her state . What about mary lan dree of louisiana . Republican Congress Want to stop the country to deny the people the chance to see a doctor. How many times are we going to do this . It is a wolf in wolfs clothing. The underlying bill to shut down government is reason enough to object to it. And you know what thats about . Thats simply about putting their friends, the insurance companies, back in charge of medical decisions for your families. Either you dont know what you are doing or this is one of the most intentional acts of brutality that you have cooked up with stiff competition for that honor. 230 and nays are 189. The joint resolution has passed. Is laid on the table. Speaker john boehner does not want to shut down the government. He has spent the last couple of months trying, begging his members, to figure out a way around passing a bill to defund obama care and shut down the federal government. He would have been open to one that didnt mention obama care at all. They tried to put one on the floor that just held another vote on defunding obama care. He did not want this. He does not want republicans to shut the government down and make everybody hate them. But as often happens these days, House Republicans did not listen to john boehner and so john boehner, rather than fight his members, spent this morning passing a funding bill that defunded obama care and a straight face Speaker Boehner said this. We have a victory today for the American People. Also a victory for common sense. Yeah. Senator baucus said it right when he said this law is a train wreck and it is a train wreck. Yeah, great victory that i think is a huge strategic error, that kind of victory. Lets talk about train wrecks for a minute. Obama care begins open enrollment on october 1st, so soon. It begins delivering Health Insurance on january 1st. Whether its a train wreck remains to be seen. It hasnt even started yet. But heres what we can say. Under the leadership of john boehner, the 113th congress and the house of representatives in particular is a complete and total train wreck. Begin with the simplest question, what have they done on behalf of the American People . The Senate Passed immigration with a broad bill. The houses effort has completely fallen apart. The Senate Passed a farm bill. The house failed at that. Has been breaking their farm bill into little pieces and trying to pass it one at a time. The Senate Passed a budget for the two chambers could bring their budget together, come to a budget compromise for the country. The house passed a budget and refused to go to that conference with the is that the because it was scared of what might happen. Gun control was a total flop. The appropriations process has completely broken down. We almost went over the fiscal cliff when John Boehners plan b failed. Sequestration which boehner once calleded devastating is now the law of the land and will be. The r federal reserve, ben bernanke, cannot pursue the policies it thinks make sense because it is scared. Ben bernanke just said this the other day. That congress will drive the economy into a ditch, so the fed needs to support the economy. The data tells the same story. So far, the 113th congress has passed 36 public laws. For comparison, the 112th Congress Passed 283. At this rate, the 113th congress is on track to be by far the least Productive Congress on record. By far. Boehner however, to be fair to him, says he rejects those metrics. He said we should not be judged on how many new laws we create. We ought to be judged on how many laws we repeal. Through conservative comment. So how many laws has john boehner appealed . None. He tried to repeal obama care a number of time, he hasnt managed to appeal any other major laws, not gone after medicare or Social Security or anything, but perhaps the American People just enjoy this kind of gridlock. Perhaps they hate congressional productivity. They love the status quo. They think things are going so great in this country right now, Nothing Congress could possibly do to make it better. Perhaps they want nothing done and nothing undone. If that is the case, then they have a funny way of rewarding success. Americans have never had less confidence in congress than they do right now. Heck of a job, guys. In fact, as unpopular as obama care is, congress is even more unpopular and it is getting worse. There was todays debacle, where boehner buckled to conservatives in his conference, but more disturbing, part of his strategy to avoid a Government Shutdown is to convince his members they should hold their fire for a quote whale of a fight over raising the debt ceiling. That moves the conflict to a more dangerous theatre. One that could result in a complete Global Financial crisis. For all the press it gets, his threat of a shutdown is far less responsible than the threat of a default. This isnt all boehners fault. Hes getting outflanked by media savvy hard line conservatives. Some of it is boehners fault. Many of his members dont trust him. Refuses to level to republicans ant whats possible for them to achieve. He refused to go around them by cutting deals with the democrats on issues where there could with agreement. Like immigration, the government funding bill. Hes promoting a debt ceiling fight that could have zis rouse consequences and Speaker Boehner is ultimately the guy in charge of the worst performing congresses in history. If he is looking for a train wreck to fix, he might be getting closer to home. Joining me now, democrat from kii kentucky and member of the House Budget Committee and jim cooper, democrat from tennessee. There will be, do you think there will be a shutdown . Ive been saying for weeks i thought there would be a shutdown. By the way, i was ready to walk out when you started talking about congress popularity. Oh, my gosh, why do you even want us on . Ive been saying for weeks, i think there will be. Unless Speaker Boehner realizes and commits himself to being the speaker of the house for the entire country, not just for the Republican Party, were not trying to pass everything on only republican votes, were never going to get to a place where the house will pass something that the senate will accept and the president will sign. Thats just the absolute facts of the situation and really doesnt matter what the issue is. He has to have democratic support in the house. He has to be willing to pass legislature with a smaller number of republicans than 218 and then do something that not only works, but can pass both houses and signed by the president and so far, he hasnt been willing to do that. Except in a couple of instances, he has. He needs to go back and visit the sandy relief bill and some other things that have been done where he allowed things to go to the floor with less than a majority of his own confidence. Im curious if you agree on one, if there will be a Government Shutdown. A cell burning thought, but two, if there is, or if theres not, the thing that scares me is the idea we would not pay our bills because that would be a financial crisis and Speaker Boehner has said he will demand significant concessions to try to raise the debt ceiling. One, do you think there will be a shutdown and two, a breach . Were getting closer than we probably have in history, at least since gingrich shut down the government in the 90s. This is a real tragedy for america. This isnt regular political bickering. This is genuinely dangerous for america. It risks longterm damage to our country. Damage that we could not undo. Its like boehners playing with dynamite right now with Government Shutdown, but hes thinking of playing with nitroglycerin, thinking of defaulting on americas debt. Hes got to be stopped. Congressman yarmouth, one of the things i think is interesting about this is that boehner didnt want it. He did not want this bill to go forward. Not the approach he wanted to take. The 200 democrats in the house didnt want it. Not many who want this approach. You said it earlier that Speaker Boehner needs to work with democrats to get things passed, but the thing that seems surprising is he doesnt seem to have the namty from both members. You have to trust me doing this kind of approach. Shutting down the government is just not a good idea. Politics of america, certainly on the republican side, has become very entrepreneurial. This is individual members out for themselves dealing with their own districts. People have said this is about 40 idea logs wag iging the, bei the tail wagging the dog. Its really not. Its 40 idea logs and about 140 other republicans who are afraid of being replaced by those. Thats the dynamic Speaker Boehners working with. Again, there are 50, 60, maybe at most republicans who are very thoughtful, reasonable people who are willing to compromise, willing to understand that government is about the possible and not idealism all the time. Thats what Speaker Boehner has to do. Hes not been willing to crack the whip. If you want funding, if you want me to come to your district, youve got to play ball and youve got to do something that works for the country. Nancy pelosi would never ever have allowed this kind of ranger in her own congress. I often wonder what nancy pelosi is thinking. I often wonder. But congressman cooper, one thing i wanted the ask you, one thing that is being missed here in this whole discussion about obama care is that this continuing resolution represents entrenchment of sequestration and keeps it as those levels. Can you say a word about what this represents on funding, putting obama care aside. Sequestration is like a stupidist diet in the world and why were still on it, it doesnt make sense. Its crippling our military, other important parts of government. These cuts are irrational. We at least need flexibility and we need to remove the cuts in a sensible way and have more sensible budgeting, but as john and you have pointed out, now that the senate has passed the budget, the house refuses to talk to the senate about having a real budget for america. Its not enough to have a budget for the senate and house, we have to have a budget for america. Wall street journal has said theyre acting like kama pilots. Its even putting fear in the heart of ben bernanke. Weve got to have better management for america. Because this is reaching the crisis point. Congressman John Yarmouth and cooper, thank you very much for being here tonight. Thank you. And with me, debbie stabenow. You heard that and sitting from your lofty perch from the u. S. Senate, how does it look to you . Whats going to happen when this resolution comes into your chamber . I share the concern of my house colleagues. Particularly this week rather than it getting better, its really gotten worse. It really is about a group of folks who are anarchists who just want to shut our government down. We look at Global Economy where everybody else is is trying to be like america. Have a middle class like us. Outcome pete us on education, invasion, and instead of moving forward with everybody working together to continue to improve on the economy and grow the middle class, theyre taking us backwards. Way back. Its like theyre running towards a third world country while everybody is trying to be like us. Its a waste of time and money. I dont blame people for being sick and tired of it. In the senate, i have to say, we have seen Something Different happening. As you have mentioned. Immigration. A farm bill. You know, if they want to cut spending, pass a farm bill. 24 billion in deficit reduction added by the way, to about 237b9 5 trillion and deficit reduction. We have already put in place over the next ten years, so when they talk about they should do something about the deficit, were already doing something about the deficit and if they would work with us and stop this crazy sequester and focus on outinnovating and outeducating in a Global Economy, we could do even more. Also repeal obama care, that increases the deficit. But senator ted cruz, one of the thipgs happening here, a lot of pressure, too, coming from your chamber, forcing the senator, mike lee, senator rand paul, theyre going to try to do what rand paul did on the drone. Go to the floor of the are Senate Democrats prepared for that . Filibustering is not a new thing. And if they decide to do that, then it will be up to us to close debate and we will need 60 votes. We have colleagues that have spoken out. Responsible republicans in the senate who have said this is crazy and were going to count on them to join us because think about for a minute, this whole issue on repealing health care reform. They want to stop over 30 Million People from getting health care. Women who are pregnant from having access to maternity care. Starting in january for the first time ever, youre going to be able to know that essential Health Care Benefits includes prenatal care and maternity care. This is not some radical thing. Theyre talking about taking away the opportunity for Small Businesses to be able to have lower costs through competition and people to have access to health care and thats a fight worth having. Thank you so much for being here tonight. My pleasure. Whats the real reason republicans want obama care to fail . I will tell you coming up. Pref. But when it comes to investing, i just think its better to work with someone. Someone you feel you can really partner with. 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That once obama care starts delivering Health Insurance to millions of americans, it will become impossible to repeal. Thats whats happened in every other country. Its what happened with medicare and medicaid and Social Security. Its why the right needs to sop it before it begins, but the irony of this strategy is that shutting down or defunding the federal government doesnt stop obama care. It might even help it. The nonpartisan Research Service put it bluntly saying quote, it appears that substantial limitation might continue during a lax in annual appropriations. There are a few reasons for this. First thing, if there is a shutdown, disruption in funding, it only hits one part money. It hits socalled discretionary money. Thats the part of the budget decided on by congress. But obama cares main function, theyre in the more permanent part. So, for example, the money for tax credits, that moneys uneffective. It arrives on schedule. The state and federal exchange, they still operate. The mandate would still be in place. Of the lost funding thats affected, it could be fielded by the Obama Administration moving money from these mandatory pots into these other pieces and the white house could argue that a lot of the crucial positions fall into the bucket of essential personnel who are protected during the shutdown. So, it wouldnt be ideal. Implementation would move forward and it could get worse for republicans from there. Obama care is first year, the its just going to be full of glitches and hiccups and mistakes. Things are going to go wrong. Big things. Thats just true for every big and complicated law. When john boehner was first made minority leader in 2006, he was asked about the implementation of Medicare Part d, which he and his colleagues just passed. He said, quote, the implementation of the medicare plan has been horrendous. Now, the expectation for obama care, republicans are going to be able to take advantage of the problems. Theyll use them to argue the bill is terrible, ha americans need to elect them in midterms and maybe theyll win a few more seats because of it, but if its happening during an extended Government Shutdown, republicans might well get blamed for the glitches as in the media. Would it have gone more smoothly if the gop hadnt turned out the lights on the government that was supposed to be putting it in place. If the republicans get blamed for an annoying Government Shutdown, that might bump the gains in t midterms and more midterms in congress, means more protection for obama care going forward. It might mean republicans get blamed for some of the problems of implementation and it might mean the they did okay in the rollout. Wont yield against obama care. Might ultimately prove to be among the laws of best friends. Since the day you met. But your erectile dysfunction it could be a question of blood flow. Cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be Ready Anytime the moments right. 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If youre going to believe the rhetoric out there from some conservatives, food stamps are for the entitled, possibly dead moochers trying to rip off the government. Plus, got a 40 billioncut yesterday. The reality is quite different. Food stamps play just a huge role in helping actual living americans out of poverty. It keeps about 4 Million People above the poverty line. Prevents millions more from sinking deeper into poverty. 15 of the population are getting help from food stamps each month. Children and teenagers make up almost half of that number. Children and teenagers. About 10 are are seniors. And the average benefit is only about 133 a month. To quality, you could only have earnings 30 higher than the federal poverty level. 30,000 for a family of four. But those are by the way not lottery winners, but none of those stopped House Republicans from slashing 40 billion from the Food Stamp Program over the next decade. It doesnt hurt shady lottery winners or the dead, but kids and the elderly, disabled, low wage workers and members of our military. A post on a blog made rounds today. My name is jason. Im a 35yearold white combat veteran. Im on food stamps. Hes worked his entire life and is now on food stamps. It is what is keeping him from going hungry. He isnt alone. Military families alone redeem about 100 million in food aid. Millions of people in poverty fall into three categories. You can call them the lucky category, since conservatives seem to think people on welfare hit some sort of jackpot. Those living paycheck to paycheck, theyre just a little bit lucky. Those living unemployment check to unemployment check, but those living second of the month to second of the month, food stamp group, they have hit the jackpot. The second of the month being the time when funds get deposited on to the ebt card, at least in new york. For those who have never been fortunate enough to hit the power ball. Joining me now is kayla williams, author of leadoff my rifle more than you. Young and female in the u. S. Ar army. I was on them out of and on when i was a kid. My mom was like so many others, among whom take advantage of the benefit, single mom and well fell on financial hard times and it kept me from going to bed hungry. Did you find the allotment was lavish. It created a real huge food budget . No. It didnt. Supplemented by some lovely government cheese. Sometimes, we had jalapeno flavored cheese, so that was exciting. But not a lavish benefit and something that was something to be ashamed of and that stigma i think is another thing thats really difficult. It seems as if the republicans want that shame and stigma, but is that something we want to do to children, to make them ashamed of their parents . Doesnt seem like good family values to me. In the Bush Administration was real supportive of the program. Part of moving it towards on ebt cards. Instead of getting this recognizable sort of voucher, you have what h looks like a credit card. Very helpful. Theres now a pushback. Just gone way, way, way too far. What do you think about some of that transition away from that stigma . Hue do you think that affects folks . I think that is a good thing. You have for example, military personnel and guarded reserve personnel having a harder time keeping their jobs between deployments, discrimination and these are people we want to hold up as heroes in our society. Do we want to make them feel ashamed for needing an extra helping hand . No, we dont. If theyre having trouble, we dont need to make them feel ashamed of needing a little extra helping hand. These are people who served honor bly and with pride. Any kid doesnt need to have that stigma of feeling like theres something wrong with them. To bring that back today is a move in the wrong direction. Has there been a sharp rise in use of food stamps in the military after 9 11 . Not necessarily among active duty. Theyve gotten pretty significant pay increases over that time. But use of snap benefits in commissaries have gone up and people who can use commissaries, also retirees and again, guard and vefr personnel. When you actually get into these debates, you have a 40 billion cut in house of representatives yesterday. One you dont hear from are veterans lobbies. But dont seem to engage that. Any thoughts as to why . I dont. But im trying to change that. Why im here speaking with you right now. Where do you think this goes from now . The senate probably is going to pick it up. Do you think that the changing is impressions of whos on food stamps as your colleague did today, as you are doing, do you think that is part of this political battle . I hope that it will be. I hope that more people like me, who have been on Food Assistance at some point in their lives will come forward and say youre talking about people like me. 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Together theres been a lot of talk about the irresponsibility of ted cruz in pushing to shut down the government if the Obama Administration doesnt do the defund. Talk on this network, even some of it by me. That is an irresponsible thing to do and maybe kind of counterproductive and maybe going to be a huge disaster, but during that, john boehner is the adult in the room. Failing maybe, but at least trying. But part of the way boehner is trying to get out of this shutdown is by telling his members, you dont want to waste your time shutting down the government. What you want to do is hold your fire until the Obama Administration, less they delay obama care for a year, you wont raise the debt ceiling. That is John Boehners plan. No Government Shutdown right now, but a huge debt ceiling fight very soon. President obama called john boehner tonight saying im still not going to negotiate with you. That is more irresponsible than what ted cruz has cooked up. You shut down the federal government, its bad for the economy, bad for people who rely on government services, but youll be fine once you reopen. You reach the debt ceiling and you cause a Global Financial panic and it wont be fine when you start paying your bills again. That doesnt just go away. Boehners got a hard job. His members dont listen to him. He just picked up a primary challenger the other day, but he makes his job harder and more dangero dangerous. The question is why. Why and how does he get out of it . Joining me now, publisher of the new federalist, a web magazine and senior fellow at the heartland institute. David weigel, he was at the vote today and heather, chief economist at the center for American Progress of progressive think tank. So, there are two kind of beats here. Boehners, somebodys got a shutdown and he is amping up the debt ceiling talk. So when you speak defaults in the conservative movement or to House Republicans, what do they see as the likely solution here . The good vision of the future . The good vision of the future . I think youve played this out in a way to say that all of this talk along that he was this crazy guy, and boehner was this voice of seriousness, neither is really the case. Both are points of inflection. Both are points of leverage that the Republican Party is is seeking to find in order to force president obama to come to the negotiating table. He has been enormously reluctant to do. Particularly wasnt it boehner who said at the beginning of this congress, no more negotiations wean him and president obama . Exactly. Yes, i think it did, but what youre seeing now is enormous pressure being brought within his own caucus for boehner to take on something that is viewed as an extremely important and serious piece of legislation thats going to be around for a while if we dont stop it. This creates a scenario where you have to engage in a more serious level of brink man ship. From the republicans perspective on capitol hill, thats only thing that will make the president listen. Theres no scenario in h the president undoes his legislation. Thats the thing thats weird. It is a complete up ending of the roles of politics. You lose the elections, you need to regain power and youre not the folks in charge. Cant just blow up the capitol. Theres really not a strategy youre missing. Im sorry to hear that. After this vote today, i asked members what do you think the senate should do . Filibuster a motion to proceed . Block the amendment . The answer i kept hearing, im not an expert on senate procedure. They do believe the country will become a socialist distaupe area. They just dont have a plan for how this will undo obama care. I give them that credit. But heather, you actually watch the economy and where as we might besocialist, will we go throu through. Were beginning to see the beginning of the crazy season. Discussing how far over the brink should we take the u. S. Economy. Last time we had this conversation about not raising the debt ceiling, we saw the american debt downgraded for the first time. We are still in a situation where although we are three years into an economic recovery, it has not been a recovery for American Families in so many ways. We see incomes that are stagnant. Nine Million People who should be at work today, but arent. Its a bit of a smoke and mirrors. Lets talk about obama care as though it were the most critical issue, when in fact, it is because congress has not acted. Weve got this poor economy. Ben, ill let you in on this when we come back. S squeal ] [ male announcer ] since we began, mercedesbenz has pioneered many breakthroughs. Breakthroughs in design. Breakthroughs in safety. In engineering. And technology. And now our latest creation breaks one more barrier. Introducing the cla. 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There were about ten shutdowns over the course of the carter and reagan administrations. They lasted about a week to ten days. There was one significant debt ceiling fight. Actually came after water gate when ted kennedy and water mondale had a debate in the wake of watergate. I would compare that very much to what were seeing now. One party that views this as a threat, an issue that has to be handled right now and another party who says weve got to move on. Heres the way its not comparable. Ted kennedy and mondale were in a similar position. Youre also talking about a mixed political party, period. That seems to me to be whats different here. What i find striking is not the desire to repeal obama care. Im not surprised by republicans fighting on the debt ceiling. There was an argument there that if only the presidency would have been up, they would have won it, but they did not win the last election. They did not have the mandate for this kind of hostage taking this time. No, they just convinced themselves that because obama care is unpopular, theyre going to win. The public will blame barack obama and not them for what happens. Not just ted cruz, but activists saying it has been pretty well internalized, that has been repeated when john boehner talks about the default, the possibility of default, he blames it on barack obama. Again, i wish i had a great insight as to how theyre going to convince the American People that is the case. Theyve just convinced enough of themselves and the base that they believe this and no, they dont really have a plan for selling that beyond the people they already sold it to. This is the problem, they dont have to answer to any voters, especially in the house, beyond conservative voters who believe this. I would suggest their version of a win is different. Its like what we saw with rand paul in florida with the drones. His win was changing the conversation. Ted cruz this week said when asked if he would filibuster, said ill do anything it takes to filibuster the continuing resolution. He wouldnt say yes, so it might be they convince themselves of this, then theres a point. But boehner has stood up on the debt limit and said i will make sure we get a oneyear delay on the obama care and today, the president called and said, just a reminder, i am just not going to negotiate with you. If what ben is saying the true, thats fine. If they just want to filibuster on the floor, get some Media Attention and we keep the government open and pay our bills, thats one thing. If they dont, thats a whole other, heather. It seems to me theyre afraid obama cares going to go into effect. Once it does and once people can buy insurance on exchanges and get their preexisting conditions covered, this is a good thing, right . But whether or not republicans are so afraid of this being a good thing that people start like it, how far theyre willing to push the u. S. Economy is, thats the question on the table. But this is not, this is not good and in fact, we heard on wednesday that chairman bernanke said that it was federal fiscal policy that is a continuing restraint on Economic Growth and a source of risk for the economy. So, i mean, we know that whats going on right now is actually, its affecting Macro Economic policymaking and its not good for jobs and income. I think thats a key point. Theres this idea out there that the thing republicans are afraid of is that it will fail. But it often seems theyre afraid it would succeed. If it was failing, they could just win in 2014 and repeal it. I think in 2017 where you have x number of people on this new entitlement, whether it succeeds or not. Now, if the administration has slowly scaled back its estimates, but whether youre dealing with 10 or 20 million, a sizable medicaid population or sizable population on the exchange, theres going to be people locked into that money and that means its more difficult to roll back. I think thats why ted cruz has been so definitive saying this is the moment, the lip, we have to stop them here. I think he believes it and i think boehner to a degree does as well. Thank you very much all for being here on a friday night