incomplete denial. >> when the motion to vacate is threatened every week in congress, it's being abused. we need to fix that. it's a tool that's being abused by the minority when the majority of my conference don't agree with them. >> alex, briefly here, remember how this came about. it was kevin mccarthy who actually changed the house rules to make it easier for anyone member to throw the speaker out to get the gavel in the first place. that was until he met with some conservative hardliners. what mccall is talking about there was going back to how the rules used to be. you need at least five members to make the effort happen. that's how it has been historically. members can change and set their own rules. they will see if there's enough support on both sides of the aisle. johnson did so last week it's not something he plans to do after he was cornered on the house for just a couple of feet away from me by a group of conservatives threatening him not to do that. alex. >> stay with us. i want to bring in eugene