Power and its radicalism is growing. With me now is elizabeth newman, former senior adviser of the department of Homeland Security during the Trump Administration and author of the forthcoming book, kingdom of range, rage, the rise of christian extremism and the path back to peace. You know the politicians and other leaders have long used religion for power, for political gain, but you say, quote, during most of my lifetime, extremists were not allowed to participate in mainstream political discussions, they were kept at the fringes of society. Is this how people like Kari Lake can gain prominence, get away with saying the things we just heard her say. Are you more concerned with the people saying these things or the people they are speaking to . I suppose it is both. We should hold our politicians to a higher standard of ethic, especially after what we saw in 2020. There is no excuse now to not understand that your words do have tremendous Power And Influence over individuals that might have a propensity to violence. Look, we are in about the 10th