and talk about their interactions with trump but nothing is a slamdunk. you have 12 jurors. trump does have arguments. he is a little bit removed from the actual records that are alleged to been falsified. connecting into that, he could claim you didn't know about it. whether he gets one juror to buy that i have a mistrial, that's possible. >> yes. let's see. david michael cohen, maybe stormy daniels. who do you think would be the most effective witness for the prosecution? >> well, i think michael cohen is going to be the most important one. he was trump's fixer. he was right next to him. he pleaded guilty to federal charges for this hush money deal and another ones. he obviously has credibility issues because of that. he also is the one who's going to be able to tell the story. david is hugely important because he knew trump going back to the 1990s.