think, worried about losing and potential prison time, or what he see that as firing up the base, and would he be right about that? >> once upon a time, i think his greatest fear -- aside from losing his wealth, was going to prison. and in this case he's less worried about that for a few reasons. first of all, there's a possibility of him being convicted and not having to do any time. sentencing will be a different question. and lawyers feel confident there's a possibility for him to dodge jail time. but more importantly, alex, the ex-president views this as martyrdom. they have bought into the narrative that the justice system is stacked against him. i think in some ways it feels like he's beating the judge and tearing him to slap a gag order