joining the investigation of threats to grand jurors. can any of this play a role in georgia's terms of release for trump and the other 18? >> it absolutely can, but i think one thing that is critical is that these are not necessarily individuals who are directly linked to trump. do we believe it based on his past history, based on the fact that there was the insurrection, based on all of these tweets? absolutely. but you cannot quote a individual liable for the actions of others. and you can't dictate the bail based on that with very thin links. it's way to remote, it's way to interact. >> and so the indictment highlights more than 20 phone calls lately mean by trump in close associates. seven officials in pennsylvania and three officials in arizona. several officials in georgia. hayes, how many times have we heard donald trump describe his phone calls as perfect. so why are fulton county prosecutors zooming in on these? >> and so i think one thing

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