president to give these boxes back because he was, again, reluctant to do so. now these boxes are in a secure compartmental area, being protected as the department of justice debates whether or not they're going to commence an investigation. and we've been told by the archives that trump's legal team says they will continue to look for more potential documents to hand over to the archives. >> okay, i'm going to get to the legality of this in just a second. but there was one line from your article that i found particularly striking. that being, trump was noticeably secretive about the packing process and top aides and longtime administration staffers did not see the contents. that seems unusual, is it? >> well, as one archive staffer told us, everything about this is unusual, nothing about this is normal. but, yes, the fact that the former president was secretive about the contents of the boxes and didn't utilize those closest to him to assist with the