let's go now to georgia where the three men found guilty of murdering ahmaud arbery will have yet another day in court. travis mcmichael, his father, gregory mcmichael, and william bryan were convicted this week on multiple counts in the killing of 25-year-old arbery while he was jogging through a georgia neighborhood last year. now, those three men are preparing for a february hearing on federal hate crime charges of kidnapping and violating arbery's right to use a public street because of his race. the mcmichaels are also charged with using, carrying, and brandishing a firearm. i'm joined right now to discuss it by paul butler, a former federal prosecutor and georgetown law professor and kristen gibbons fedden, a civil rights attorney. they are both msnbc legal analysts. i welcome you both wholeheartedly. paul, the murder convictions have been praised by arbery's family, by civil rights advocates and even the president as a sign that our justice system can work. but the trial was largely void