>> right, so there's a guy in iowa named bob vander plaats, who is the head of this group called the family leader, who, until this year, was really seen as this kingmaker. he had this incredibly powerful evangelical machine, and again and again and again, the people he endorsed won the iowa caucuses. they didn't necessarily go on to win the presidency, but rick santorum, mike huckabee, ted cruz, i believe he endorsed george w. bush, after double check that. you see this again, and again, and again. he, the person he's endorsed this time, is -- is fighting, fighting for a very distant second. >> ron desantis. >> i think what you've seen is just as donald trump has destroyed the rights faith in institutions they've traditionally revered, like the fbi, or the military, he has also destroyed their faith in a lot of traditional evangelical leaders.