president donald trump is going to be there to pardon them? >> the people who he has called hostages. tess, i wonder if you can -- you've done such a deep and essential reporting on this topic, i just wonder if you can give a sense of who these americans are that heed the clarion call, as issued by donald trump? and feel if they don't themselves resort to the threats and the violence, but understand it to be unnecessary after effective american public life, that you should have your life threatened, because you are going after donald trump. who are they? and who's the most vulnerable to this? >> i think that the landscape of political violence and extremism has changed since january 6th. but the grievances and the co-conspiracy theories, they haven't gone away. actually, they've become more entrenched and more mainstream. and i think part of that is the