lot of traditional evangelical leaders. people who used to think were very far right, but he's destroyed faith in them and another generation of much more militant and much more media savvy and hawks tree start-up preachers have taken their place. what you see, again and again, is that just as republicans who try to stand up to donald trump have been jettisoned by the party, i think because they've never been able to hold hands and do it together, they just get picked up one by one. something very similar happens with evangelical preachers, that you see evangelical preachers who raise qualms about the maga agenda, and the people, rather than following them, they just leave their church and find a more maga church in the same town. >> david french, i'm quoting liberally from him. he suggests that they don't even need the church anymore. in a way, trump has become -- not in a way, they will say,